says Bhavan Director Christoph Bertrams

The cultural exchanges between two countries give the participants an opportunity to understand the rich heritage, history, life and culture of the respective places they visit. Goethe Institut – Max Mueller Bhavan in the country is one such phenomenon that is doing great service in this direction since the last 60 years. The Director of Max Mueller Bhavan, Bengaluru, Christoph Bertrams was in city with a group of ten artistes from Germany visiting many cultural places like Rangayana, Folk Museum in Manasagangotri and Pottery Makers in Doora village. Senior Journalist N. Niranjan Nikam caught up with Christoph, the friendly, warm, outspoken German, who has understood India and has a good perspective about the country. He spoke to ‘Star of Mysore’ (SOM) about the history of Max Mueller Bhavan, the Indian and German Culture and about the cultural exchanges. Excerpts. —Ed.

By N. Niranjan Nikam

SOM: You have been the Director of Max Mueller Bhavan, Bengaluru, for the last five years. How has your experience been?

Christoph Bertrams: In my former career in Latin America, it was a different experience. I am here in an Asian country for the first time and it has been an interesting experience. Since we work in the area of culture, we had no support from the Government in India whether it is the Central or the State Governments. ICCR (Indian Council for Cultural Relations) hardly supports us. But this was not the case in Latin American countries where the governments would support us with public funds. Here we do get some private funding. All cultural life depends on a few individuals. It is a great experience to work with such people.

SOM: In Bengaluru, what is your experience like?

Christoph: Bengaluru is a production hub. It is very active culturally and there are a few wonderful artistes like Pushpamala and Sheila Gowda. They work in Bengaluru but have their shows in Delhi and Mumbai. Surekha Sharada, the former Chief Curator of Bangalore Metro Art Centre (in the MG Road Metro Station) and Aisha Abraham have also been a great source of support for us. We had created an exhibition with them about the First World War and the Indians participating in it. These two were the two Indians who worked with us. It was a great success. You can work with talented artistes and produce art.

SOM: It is very fascinating to read about Max Mueller, a German Indologist and Sanskrit scholar born almost 200 years ago. Can you throw some light on him?

Christoph: Goethe Institut is there in 140 countries in the world and six in India. There is only one exception and that is India where it is called Goethe Institut — Max Mueller Bhavan; in all other countries it is just Goethe Institut. That is because of the enormous respect Max Mueller had for India and this is what he had to say about your country:

“If I were asked under what sky the human mind has most fully developed some of its choicest gifts, has most deeply pondered over the greatest problems of life, and has found solutions of some of them which well deserve the attention even of those who have studied Plato and Kant, I should point to India.’’

The Indian colleagues also feel strongly about the link with Max Mueller and they want this name to be there forever. It is a very good Institut.

SOM: Do you find any similarities between German and Indian cultures?

Christoph: (Smiles). It is much easier to argue what is the difference than similarities between the two cultures. Both are very strong cultures and, of course, the Indian culture is the older one. Therein lies the main difference. What is similar is the confluence of cultural activism. For instance, if one goes to a Film Festival what one looks at is the biggest festival with the biggest stars in attendance. It is not quality here but only quantity. But our film festivals are different. Of course there are both good and bad things when one talks about culture.

Again lots of time fusion is not possible. When they try it — for example, a jazz musician plays with a Sitarist and it is called fusion music. According to me fusion becomes confusion.

SOM: A group of ten people from different backgrounds like puppetry, theatre artistes, curator and photographer have all come together. How much do they learn from such exchanges?

Christoph: This time it is called “Spot on bangaloREsidents.” We bring those people to India who have never been here before. They are all selected through a very strict selection process. Each time we receive about 200 applications. After the selection they all arrive together on a Sunday. If they say that they have a performance on Monday in Germany and after that they will come they are not allowed. These people are first introduced into the cultural life of the city. Take Paul Affeld who represents a vibrant combination of hip hop and puppet theatre as witnessed by his famous band “Puppetmastaz.” He has come here to see what Indian puppetry has to offer.

SOM: Indian puppetry has a great tradition and he will have a lot of takeaways.

Christoph: Yes that is true. He will interact with the puppet masters as his interest lies in the theatrical development between classical acting, puppetry and dance. They have visited Rangashankara where they have interacted with Arundathi Nag. Jagruthi theatre is another place where Paul has gone.

These chosen few stay with the Indian hosts and there are 25 of them in the list in Bengaluru and it is increasing. This is how the exchange of knowledge takes place between Germany and India. However, it is sad that in India there is no government funding at all for such activities.

SOM: Having been with Goethe Institut for 25 years how much of its philosophy have you imbibed?

Christoph: The thing I learn most whichever country I go to is the culture of that place. As I told in the beginning Indian culture is very old. The main objective of mine is to learn about this first. Both Bengaluru and Mysuru are culturally very vibrant. During our visit here, we learnt about the visual arts. We visited Rangayana and interacted with the artistes there. The puppetry show which we showed is a bit different from what is shown here. The children in the Chinnara Mela participated very enthusiastically. Though the way we talk to children and the way they are controlled here are a bit different. In the evening we all attended a party hosted by the international artiste N.S. Harsha, who is from your own place, where we again met some great artistes, writers, architects, graphic artistes and the interaction was very good.

This is why we are rotated in our jobs. If I stick to one place I will not learn anything much.

SOM: What is it about Goethe Institut that is unique? Because, it is said, the falling of Berlin Wall makes a turning point for Goethe Institut. (This question is answered by Maureen Gonsalves, Programme Coordinator who is travelling with the team).

Maureen Gonsalves: Earlier East and West Germany had different cultures. After the fall of the Berlin Wall this has more or less disappeared. However, as an outsider I feel that there could be some differences still there. Coming to the Goethe Institut, there is a lot of emphasis on exchange programmes.

We do not fund but support the cultural exchanges to create or facilitate and enhance the culture milieu. It is a give and take. Germany has a budget for Goethe Institut.

SOM: Many Indian students are going to Germany for further studies. What is it that attracts them? Do they have to learn German to study in Germany?

Maureen Gonsalves: One of the main reasons is Germany has no tuition fee. They just have a small semester fee and living expenses. Economically it is attractive. However, now it is not entirely true as a few Universities are charging tuition fees. Their standard of education is very high. Master’s courses are in English. Only under-graduate courses are in German. I know of students who do not speak a single word of German, who have passed out and come.

SOM: Can you throw some light on the controversy regarding replacing German with Sanskrit in CBSE schools after a MoU having been signed with Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan?

Christoph: I am not aware of it and hence I do not want to comment on it.

SOM: Great thinkers and philosophers have come out of Germany. In spite of this it has been responsible for two World Wars?

Christoph: This is the big conflict we feel, as Germans. As the well-known German Philosopher, Sociologist and Composer Theodor W. Adorno known for his critical theory of society has said, “To write poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric,” a dictum he strongly believed in and which is a part of post-war Germany’s struggle with history and culture.

source: http://www.starofmysore.com / Star of Mysore / Home> Feature Articles / May 11th, 2016